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reply to question 2

Actually the bible did say something about ppl-who-have-never-heard-about-God.
Read Romans 1:18-25
For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. Romans 1:19
So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Rom 1:20b

If you read the whole context it is actually very clear that if you don’t believe Jesus, you go right down. Period.

Maybe that’s what it means by what wei-on quoted as “them condemning themselves”?

Actually all these while I’ve got this thinking too that if you do good you should end up in heaven and you will be given the last chance at the gate-to heaven. Like wei-on said it does sound bias that if you don’t believe in Jesus you end up in hell even though you did kind and good stuff all your life.

But it wasn’t until JUST NOW that this suddenly struck me.
Why do we even have such thinking that good people should be in heaven?
Aren’t we SUPPOSED to be kind and good at the first place? In other word, being kind and good is what we are meant to be.
Does it entitle us a license then to go heaven just because we have been what we are supposed to be at the very first place?

Besides, if that is the case then it would be the end of us wouldn’t it?
John 8:7 -"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
Nobody is without sin, so nobody is “good people”. Then heaven must has been a really quiet and deserted place, hasn’t it?

Indeed the ONLY way to heaven is Jesus, not by just doing good.

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal (liberation/forgiveness/pardon/freedom) is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith. Rom 3:27

And that, made it very, very clear, crystal clear.

But yet again, it doesn’t mean that faith alone is all what we need to have. No point having only faith in God but do stuff that is against Him right?

So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all--it is dead and useless. James 2:17

read context- James 2:17-26

So it's kind of faith-good deeds are clung together.

Lipsing has got a really good point there. What’s the point of sharing the Good News, then when they refuse; we become the cause of them going to hell? Oops.

For about the question whether a believer can lose his/her salvation, I myself am not quite about because I’m kinda wondering too.

God’s salvation is of course, eternal but what we do might turn us away from God. And when we turn away from Him, we lose our salvation right? I really don’t know but does it apply?

I can’t find any scriptures yet that explains that. But:

Not all people who sound religious are really godly. They may refer to me as `Lord,' but they still won't enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The decisive issue is whether they obey my Father in heaven. On judgment day many will tell me, `Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' But I will reply, `I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized. Matt 7:21-23

Only God alone will decide where we end is it not?

posted by Vern @ 1:06 PM